medicare and child health insurance, $16,500 a year, section 8 subsidized low income rent, another 4300. earned income tax credits, modestly $5,000. they could rise significantly beyond that. but at any rate they would total so much money combined with the national school lunch program, the needy family assistance programs, we're talking about more take home pay, disposable income for that woman with her two children on public assistance than a woman with two children earning $57,000 a year. it's extraordinary. >> bill: all right. and if she were earning 69 wouldn't get any of that. so that the pennsylvania authority say the system is set up now to reward people who aren't making any money. and if you try to bring yourself up and raise yourself up in salary, you are actually going to have a lower standard of living because you lose some of these benefits. that's the game right now. >> it's the game. it is also the challenge. and, again, you know, i congratulate the department of public welfare in pennsylvania because they are trying to avoid that collision. because it doesn't matter in